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DJ
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Nov-09-06, 03:57 PM (CST)
 
"Oatmeal?"
 
   I read the whole thing about nuts, I guess certain kinds or an abundance of can be bad to some, or maybe the jury is still out on this. I was reading that Oatmeal may be the same, in that it is high in arginine (sp?) Can someone enlighten me?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Oatmeal? eds Nov-09-06 1
  RE: Oatmeal? windyadmin Nov-09-06 2
  RE: Oatmeal? howladmin Nov-09-06 3
     RE: Oatmeal? muffin Nov-09-06 4
  RE: Oatmeal? Bela Nov-09-06 5
     RE: Oatmeal? C16679 Nov-09-06 6
         RE: Oatmeal? windyadmin Nov-09-06 7
             RE: Oatmeal? C16679 Nov-10-06 8
                 RE: Oatmeal? graceadmin Nov-10-06 9
                     RE: Oatmeal? Frenay_28 Nov-10-06 10
  RE: Oatmeal? Lenore Nov-10-06 11
     RE: Oatmeal? auntiejessiadmin Nov-10-06 12
         RE: Oatmeal? Jim Nov-10-06 13
             RE: Oatmeal? Anonymous Nov-19-06 14

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eds
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Nov-09-06, 04:30 PM (CST)
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1. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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I'd heard that too but I eat oatmeal every day for breakfast and have never had a problem.

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windyadmin
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2. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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Look at the total amount of protein, not just the relative amounts of arginine and lysine. Oatmeal doesn't have a lot of protein, so any high protein foods you consume will tilt that balance. And yes, the jury is still out on the lysine/arginine thing. Some studies show an effect, and some don't. More studies (bigger and better) need to be done.


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3. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   One problem I've always had with the lysine/arginine thing or any of the other herpes diet lists is that you have to devote way too much effin time to eating around herpes. For what benefit? You're not going to eliminate herpes OBs by diet alone. Its a shitload of work and no fun at all.

Which is EXACTLY the kind of diet I'd create if I were trying to punish someone, say for getting herpes in the first place. Maybe these diets are about self flagellation rather than treating herpes.

Just a thought.


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muffinadmin
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Nov-09-06, 09:09 PM (CST)
 
4. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-06 AT 09:10 PM (CST)
 
There is no way to predict what anyone's triggers will be. The only way to find out if oatmeal (or nuts) is one of your triggers is to try it and see what happens.

I, only the other hand, am not all that fond of oatmeal. So maybe I'll just use herpes as justification for avoiding it.


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Bela
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Nov-09-06, 09:37 PM (CST)
 
5. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   In my experience, a change in diet did nothing for my herpes. However, a healthier diet in general can never hurt you! I eat a lot of nuts, oatmeal, coffee, chocolate, etc....things that are supposed to trigger OBs and never noticed any of these things were triggering symptoms. In my opinion, the best thing for controlling herpes is antivirals.


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6. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   This may be a dumb question, and I'm really just curious, but what are arginine and lysine anyway? I mean, I get that they are chemicals (or something!) found in some foods, but can someone explain it more? And if one knows what they are, are you able to just intuitively figure out what foods contain them, or do you have to do some sort of research if you are trying to find or avoid those foods?

Oh, and why does one possibly affect H and the other may help it?

Thanks.

C.


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windyadmin
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7. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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Lysine and arginine are amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. Long ago, someone noticed that herpes grows better in cell cultures that have more arginine and grows not as well in cell cultures that have more lysine. Then someone else figured that this might also apply to the diets of humans who have herpes. Both of these amino acids are present in proteins, but the ratio varies from food to food. Nuts and seeds and grains have a higher proportion of argnine, and animal proteins have a higher proportion of lyine. Nuts and chocolate are two common foods that contain a lot of arginine.

If you really want to try it, you need to look at a chart that shows not only the lysine and arginine content, but also the total protein content, and then you have to do some math to figure out how much of each you're really getting.

A more sensible and practical approach would be to keep a diary of what you eat, how you feel, how much sleep you get and what herpes symptoms you get. Then play with it if you think you see some correlations.

As I mentioned in another thread, I think there's probably something to it, but I don't think it's as simple as it's usually presented. Otherwise, I wouldn't get away with eating as much chocolate as I do.


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C16679
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8. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   Thank you. I like to be able to understand things.

I completely understand that some people have had reactions and have adjusted their diets accordingly; I think it's always smart to listen to one's body and do what works for you.

It does seem a little confusing to me though. I see what you're saying about herpes growing better or worse in the respective cultures, but does that pertain to real life? Meaning, when you eat the different foods, do the amino acids from the food really get dispersed into the nerve cells where herpes is living, to make it replicate?

C.


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9. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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There are many, many things that seem to be effective at killing herpes in the test tube - in real live people - tends to be a whole different story. For the vast majority of folks living with either oral or genital herpes - diet has little to do with reoccurances. Of course some folks do definitely have dietary triggers that they've identified over time and thru trial and error - for instance some people who get obvious cold sores - know if they are eating too much acidic or spicey foods they can count on a reoccurance just like some folks notice when they over do it on certain foods they might get a genital reoccurance. I totally agree that trying to avoid entire food groups just because they might trigger a reoccurance is just punishing yourself for having herpes by trying to eat around them. If you can narrow down a definite trigger that's one thing but trying to eat high lysine/low arginine just because you were diagnosed as having herpes just isn't worth it. You should also look at the bigger picture - what's more important - less ob's or eating heart healthy so you aren't having triple bypass at 45?

I eat chocolate almost every single day - even when I am pms'ing and OD'ing on chocolate I don't get an ob. Give me vaginitis or have my insomnia kick in and ta da - ob city ( or change soaps - that triggers them too ). I've never noticed any correlation with nuts either no matter how many I eat ( most times my nut intake is in the form of peanut m&m's - which in theory would be a double whammy...he he he - LOVE those ! ). Usually my trigger just seems to be that I had the nerve to wake up that morning for the most part when I'm not on suppressive therapy.

If you suspect that diet might be a trigger for you - keep a diary listing what you ate each day, how you felt overall and just a basic description of what your nether regions were like that day. That way you might be able to see if certain foods are definitely a trigger or if there were other things also contributing to why an ob might've occured ( for instance if you think soy is a trigger - avoid it completely for a month or two then start eating it again and see if you get more ob's ). If you aren't particularly bothered with many reoccurances though it's probably not worth all that effort to be honest.

grace

"The Constitution of America only guarantees the pursuit of happiness--- you have to catch up with it yourself. Fortunately, happiness is something that depends not on position but on disposition, and life is what you make it." - Gill Robb Wilson


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10. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml

has a good sized list of foods and their amts of Lysine vs argine... I have been taking Lysine Supplements because I love nuts and alot of foods high in Arg.. but I had also read that too much Lysine isnt a good thing either... It says to take 3 a day - I only take one a day with my lunch?


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Lenore
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Nov-10-06, 10:03 AM (CST)
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11. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   I just find that I can't pay that much attention to my herpes or my diet. I haven't noticed any dietary triggers in the 28 years I've had herpes.


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12. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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I thought at one point that nuts may be a trigger for me.

Of course, I also had bv, strep b, a ton of stress, etc...

Take your pick. I really think that you can't worry too much about these things. If you are noticing a lot of obs, then certainly keep a record of your diet, but don't worry so much about it if you aren't.

Jess

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Jim
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Nov-10-06, 05:30 PM (CST)
 
13. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   I really think a good, balanced diet with lots of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, etc. is the way to go. Throw in some regular exercise, try to keep the stress level under control, and have plenty of fun and things will probably be pretty good.

The theories about certain foods being triggers for some people have been around for at least 20 years. I don't think anybody really knows and everybody is obviously different. I think there is some value in trying to keep track of things; if you have an outbreak, look back a few days at your diet, stress, sleep, sexual activity, etc. and see if you can point to anything. Personally, I think it's a pretty "sneaky" virus. Taking care of one's health and particularly the immune system has to help.


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Anonymous
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Nov-19-06, 02:37 AM (CST)
 
14. "RE: Oatmeal?"
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   Go look up "beta glucan," (in the context of immune support) and you'll find out why eating oatmeal is probably one of the best things you can do to boost your immune system.


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