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lifestest
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Sep-10-09, 02:17 PM (CDST)
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"Circumcision as Herpes Treatment"
 
   I know the question has been asked on here before. I am uncirced and was thinking the same thing. I have attached a study that does show adult circumcision does assist with HSV. I always thought this cause the more nerves the easier the virus reactivates. Please read and let me know your thoughts.

Thomas C. Quinn, M.D.
The Johns Hopkins University and NIAID, NIH, Baltimore, MD, USA.
Ecologic and epidemiologic studies have demonstrated that male circumcision is associated with decreased HIV acquisition. Three randomized clinical trials of male circumcision in South Africa, Uganda and Kenya definitively proved that circumcision reduces the risk of HIV infection by 50 to 60%, identical to that observed in meta-analyses of over 35 epidemiologic studies. All three trial also showed a reduction of genital ulcer disease by 50%, suggesting that part of the observed decreased susceptibility to HIV infection may be an indirect effect of reduction in genital ulcer disease due to HSV, syphilis, and/or chancroid. In a meta-analysis of 10 published articles that specifically examined the association of male circumcision and HSV-2 serostatus, circumcised men were found to have lower rates of HSV-2 seropositivity on univariate analysis in six studies and the association was statistically significant (p < 0.05) in three of these. Adjusting for age and other potential confounders, the summary relative risk was 0.88 (CI 0.77—1.01). In two subsequent population based studies in New Zealand and the U.S., infant circumcision was not associated with a reduction in HSV-2 seropositivity later in life, although a small effect cannot be ruled out. In the Kenyan trial of male circumcision, while GUD was reduced by 50% mostly due to a reduction in recurrences of HSV-2, there was no apparent effect on HSV-2 serologic incidence. In the Rakai RCT, GUDs, primarily caused by HSV (66%) were reduced by 50% in the circumcised men. Serologic evidence for HSV-2 seroconversion by trial arm is pending but baseline serologic evidence suggests that herpetic recurrences were reduced significantly in the circumcised men.

In summary, male circumcision does not appear to significantly reduce susceptibility to incident HSV-2 but does appear to reduce the recurrence rate of genital ulcers. Further studies are warranted to determine the potential benefit of circumcision in efforts to reduce the incidence and/or recurrence rate of genital HSV-2 infection.


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windyadmin
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Sep-11-09, 07:24 AM (CDST)
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1. "RE: Circumcision as Herpes Treatment"
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I haven't read the study, but I think they're talking about recurrence rates compared between uncircumcised men and men who were previously circumcised, as opposed to using circumcision as a treatment.

It kind of makes sense. Without a foreskin, the tip of the penis dries faster, and it's also subject to more friction, so the skin can become more keratinized. Both of those factors would make it more difficult for virus to get in. Getting infected with a smaller amount of virus results in less severe symptoms.

Removing a foreskin after the fact probably wouldn't do anything to the frequency of recurrence, because that's controlled by events in the nerve ganglia, near the spine. And there's a good chance of getting an outbreak in response to the cutting. Ouch.

Dude, keep your foreskin. It contains sensory nerves, and it's part of your genitals. Need I say more?


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lifestest
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Sep-12-09, 10:32 PM (CDST)
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2. "RE: Circumcision as Herpes Treatment"
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   I thank you for your reply. I was interested in this study and found it interesting. I thought about this since any damage to the foreskin seems to aggrevate the virus for me. I think the thousands of sensory nerves in the foresking make the virus more active in the ganglia. I do not get obs on the shaft and nothing on the glans but maybe some red little marks which I cannot confirm are herpes or not. All obs are located on the foresking. I have never even had redness on the shaft before and the skin is not sensitive. If you see the bottom of the study it says about circumcision being studied as a means to reduce recurrence. I think there is some merit to this. I know without those thousands of nerves in the forekskin the virus will calm down a bunch. Especially from irritation from sex etc. I do not think i would ever have symptoms on my shaft. I do not think it is a cure but has the potential to lessen obs and infectivity area as well. Let me know your thoughts. I have done a lot of research and know my triggers. One is irritation to the foreskin. Sometimes when I just go pee I can feel a zap or two in my legs just from touching the skin. With those nerves gone virus could potentially calm down alot. Also after sex small obs on the forskin from irritation could be alleviated as well. Tired of this shitty virus and willing to do anything. If cutting of my foresking helps i will do it in a minute.


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windyadmin
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Sep-13-09, 11:18 AM (CDST)
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3. "RE: Circumcision as Herpes Treatment"
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Well, it does say that it's a randomized clinical trial, so maybe you're understanding it correctly. Not sure how they worked that out (cut the guys who draw the short straws?) But I would argue that cutting off the nerve endings doesn't remove the ability of the virus to replicate and come down the axon to within about an inch of where it used to go, and maybe a little bit deeper. Maybe that does translate to fewer symptoms, or maybe something else.

If you want an opinion, I'd say don't cut sensory nerves. Bad things can happen when you do.

How long have you have herpes? It's pretty common for it to be very active in the beginning and then calm down later. For some people that might be a few months, and for me it was a couple of years. And what treatments have you tried, medical or alternative?


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lifestest
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Sep-13-09, 04:04 PM (CDST)
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4. "RE: Circumcision as Herpes Treatment"
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   I thank you for your message. I have been thinking that removing the nerves would make the virus less active than it is. I do not get obs really at all. I get tiny small red spots usually after a weekend of hardcore partying and bad diet. No open sores etc. I have had the virus coming up on two years in December is when I think i contracted it. As for treatments I have thrown everything at it. Valtrex, BHT, Olive leaf, DMSO, Oxygen drops, alkaline diet, Hydrogen peroxide, all the supplements int he world known to assist with HSV. Now I am taking 1g daily valtrex 1g, HSV specific transfer factors, and low dose naltrexone for immune support. This is the best thing I have done for it up to this point. I feel if I did not party on the weekends I would never get any ob again on this regimen. I do get daily zings in the legs and zings from time to time. Does this mean the virus is always active and shedding in my situation? I think if I was not on valtrex i would have small obs daily. I know when I mess with the foreskin in any way i get a zap or two telling me the virus is pissed. Also after sex the virus gets active again. I thought about the circ to reduce symptoms way before i found this study. It just made sense to me. That is where i get the obs and it is sensitive skin which seems to assist in the virus activity. Remove those sensitive nerves and the virus will at least calm down a bit. Sometimes I think the virus activates from small trauma to the skin. The many nerves in the skin get the virus in the ganglia pissed. I also sense it with temp changes and stuff like that. I might do it and see what happens. One guy on this site or another herpes site said it cured him. Not that the virus was gone but no obs in 10 months and he forgot he had it anymore. Also i think circ would help in protecting potential partners. Less infective area, and one less trigger. Sex would probably not trigger the virus anymore. Also can keep a better eye on the area for obs instead of having to evaluate the whole entire foreskin, glans etc. I thank you for your assistance and any further insight would be appreciated.


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lixonn
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Oct-26-10, 10:48 PM (CDST)
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5. "RE: Circumcision as Herpes Treatment"
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   hi
Did you ever get circed?I'm having the exact same problem- outbreaks on the foreskin only, over a year now, virtually no break from it despite heavy antivarals dose. I read about circ in a couple of studies, they do make sense. To me, however, adult circum sounds terrifying - a month of pain and no sex/mastb...?? My head is extremely sensitive, how long does it take to get accustomed to having no foreskin???


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