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karinmaria (Guest)
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Nov-24-02, 04:21 PM (CST)
 
"Local cure for herpes found in Kenya"
 
   Hi, I am new to this. I was diagnosed thru a pap smear but my blood test came back negative. I had a terrible fist outbreak of genital herpes and took valtrax which seemed to help. I am now obsessed with finding information on Herpes or possible treatments. I found this article online and searched the forum for input into this and found no matches. Has anyone tried this? Can anyone explain to me what a positive pap smear and negative blood test mean? I am so confused.

Here is the article:

Catherine Mgendi
Nairobi

Local researchers have identified a plant whose sap can effectively treat skin infections caused by the herpes virus without causing any side effects, a conference on infections control heard recently.

According to Mr. James Muthotho, a microbiologist with the Kenya Medical Research Institute (Kemri), the plant has been shown to "virtually cure" herpes zoster, an itchy, painful skin infection characterised by blistering.

Herpes zoster is caused by the varicella virus, which also causes chicken pox in children, according to medical experts. It is boosted by a depressed immunity, mainly resulting from HIV infection as well as from cancer drugs and radiotherapy, doctors say.

The frangipani plant's extract also treats the less traumatic herpes simplex which manifests itself as recurrent cold sores around the mouth, Mr. Muthotho says. He unveiled these findings during the recently concluded scientific conference of the Infections Control Association of Kenya held in Nairobi.

Mr. Muthotho says they have been studying the efficacy of the frangipani plant, plumeria rubra of the Apocynaceae family, for the past five years, and have successfully treated more than 130 people suffering from herpes zoster.

The plant, which can grow more than two metres high and is vegetatively propagated through the use of cuttings, is commonly referred to as the 'peace plant' as it is most commonly found in graveyards.

The frangipani sap, Mr. Muthotho says, stops the itchiness of herpes zoster sores, healing them without leaving any scars. It also kills the intense, recurrent post-treatment pain, and prevents recurrence, unlike the conventional drugs.

The microbiologist says the sap works by permeating the nervous system cells to kill the herpes zoster virus eradicating the pain, and any possibility of recurrence.

"During application, one experiences a burning sensation. However, within 10 to 20 minutes, the pain in the lesions reduces dramatically," he says.

He adds that conventional medicines only dry up the blisters and do not exterminate the virus, thus the recurrence of pain.

"The lesions heal without scar tissue formation or secondary bacterial infections," he says. "The drug Ipan (the plant sap) is safe and efficacious."

In some people, Mr. Muthotho says, herpes zoster infection causes restricted chest movements during breathing, which clear within two hours of applying the sap.


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  RE: Local cure for herpes found in Kenya windyadmin Nov-24-02 1
  Important Addendum - wrong plant mentioned in the article windyadmin Nov-24-02 2
     RE: Important Addendum - wrong plant mentioned in the article KarinMaria (Guest) Nov-25-02 3
         RE: Important Addendum - wrong plant mentioned in the article windyadmin Nov-25-02 4
             Frangipani is also known as Calachuchi in the Philippines BioCollegeGraduate Jan-22-05 5
                 RE: Frangipani is also known as Calachuchi in the Philippine BioCollegeGraduate Jan-22-05 6
                     Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book howladmin Jan-22-05 7
                         RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book Jones Jul-05-05 8
                             It's a reasonable thing to try.. Rajahadmin Jul-05-05 9
                                 RE: It's a reasonable thing to try.. Maggie101 Jan-25-06 11
                             RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book ann Jan-24-06 10
                                 RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book Jim Jan-27-06 12
                                 RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book nathatlie Feb-01-06 13
                                     RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book Lisa Feb-03-06 14
                                         RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book Nathalie Feb-06-06 15
                                             RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book Lisa Feb-16-06 16
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windyadmin
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1. "RE: Local cure for herpes found in Kenya"
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Normally, a Pap smear doesn't detect herpes. If you happened to be having an outbreak on your cervix at the time the Pap was done, it might be an incidental finding that was noted on the lab report. Find out if you had a herpes culture at the same time as the Pap. That would be a more conclusive bit of evidence.

A negative blood test means you don't have antibodies. This could either mean that you don't have herpes, or that you were recently infected and haven't made enough antibodies to show up on the test yet. It's best to wait at least 12-16 weeks before doing blood tests, to avoid getting false negatives.

I looked around on medline for plumeria rubra, and this is what I found. Nothing about herpes. I'd need to see some pretty convincing evidence to believe that it goes up the nerve and kills the virus. That's a much more extravagant claim than that it kills the virus on contact in a culture dish, which is how some herbs have been tested. This one sounds like something you wouldn't want to ingest.


1: J Ethnopharmacol 1991 Jul;33(3):289-92 Related Articles, Links

Traditional medicinal plants of Thailand. XVII. Biologically active constituents of Plumeria rubra.

Hamburger MO, Cordell GA, Ruangrungsi N.

Program for Collaborative Research in the Pharmaceutical Sciences, College of Pharmacy, University of Illinois, Chicago 60612.

The compounds 1-6 were isolated from the heartwood of Plumeria rubra, following bioactivity-directed fractionation. Plumericin 1 and isoplumericin 2 displayed molluscicidal, cytotoxic and antibacterial activity, 4-hydroxyacetophenone 3 was weakly cytotoxic, whereas the remaining glycosidic isolates (plumieride, 4; 13-O-coumaroylplumieride, 5; protoplumericine A, 6) were inactive in all test systems.

PMID: 1921428

2: J Nat Prod 1990 Nov-Dec;53(6):1447-55 Related Articles, Links

Cytotoxic constituents of the bark of Plumeria rubra collected in Indonesia.

Kardono LB, Tsauri S, Padmawinata K, Pezzuto JM, Kinghorn AD.

Program for Collaborative Research in the Pharmaceutical Sciences, College of Pharmacy, University of Illinois, Chicago 60612.

By bioactivity-directed fractionation, six cytotoxic constituents have been characterized from the bark of Plumeria rubra collected in Indonesia. Three iridoids, fulvoplumierin <1>, allamcin <2>, and allamandin <3>, as well as 2,5-dimethoxy-p-benzoquinone <4>, were found to be active constituents of the P. rubra petroleum-ether- and CHCl3-soluble extracts. Cytotoxic compounds isolated from the H2O-soluble extract of the bark were the iridoid plumericin <5>, and the lignan liriodendrin <6>. Each of these substances was found to demonstrate general cytotoxic activity when evaluated with a panel of cell lines composed of murine lymphocytic leukemia (P-388) and a number of human cancer cell-types (breast, colon, fibrosarcoma, lung, melanoma, KB). Five additional iridoids, 15-demethylplumieride <7>, plumieride <8>, alpha-allamcidin <9>, beta-allamcidin <10>, and 13-O-trans-p-coumaroylplumieride <11>, were obtained as inactive constituents. Compound 7 was found to be a novel natural product, and its structure was determined by spectroscopic methods and by conversion to plumieride <8>. The configuration of the C-4 stereocenter was unambiguously assigned for compounds 9 and 10, and certain nmr reassignments have been provided for compound 1.

PMID: 1965200

3: Med J Aust 1986 May 12;144(10):540-4 Related Articles, Links

Naturally occurring cardiac glycosides.

Radford DJ, Gillies AD, Hinds JA, Duffy P.

Cardiac glycoside poisoning from the ingestion of plants, particularly of oleanders, occurs with reasonable frequency in tropical and subtropical areas. We have assessed a variety of plant specimens for their cardiac glycoside content by means of radioimmunoassays with antibodies that differ in their specificity for cardiac glycosides. Significant amounts of immunoreactive cardiac glycoside were found to be present in the ornamental shrubs: yellow oleander (Thevetia peruviana); oleander (Nerium oleander); wintersweet (Carissa spectabilis); bushman's poison (Carissa acokanthera); sea-mango (Cerbera manghas); and frangipani (Plumeria rubra); and in the milkweeds: redheaded cotton-bush (Asclepias curassavica); balloon cotton (Asclepias fruiticosa); king's crown (Calotropis procera); and rubber vine (Cryptostegia grandifolia). The venom gland of the cane toad (Bufo marinus) also contained large quantities of cardiac glycosides. The competitive immunoassay method permits the rapid screening of specimens that are suspected to contain cardiac glycosides. Awareness of the existence of these plant and animal toxins and their dangers allows them to be avoided and poisoning prevented. The method is also useful for the confirmation of the presence of cardiac glycosides in serum in cases of poisoning.

PMID: 3086679


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2. "Important Addendum - wrong plant mentioned in the article"
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-02 AT 05:19 PM (CST)

...and I still couldn't find anything published about using it for herpes.

http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/220499/Letters/Letters2.html

Letters
Thursday, April 22, 1999
The facts on herpes treatment
We refer to an article on the use of herbal medicine for the treatment of herpes zoster in the Horizon Section of the Nation (DN, Mar 25).

It is important to clarify a few points that were unclear and one incorrect one in the article.

You reported that Mr Muthotho discovered the use of frangipani for the treatment of herpes zoster. Mr Muthotho is not the discoverer of this herbal treatment.

He has been and is still working with the Catholic Archdiocese of Nairobi's Eastern Deanery CBHC & Aids Relief Programme.

It is this programme which discovered the use of this herb for the treatment of herpes zoster.

More than 800 patients have been treated since we began dispensing this medicine, with effective results as stated by Mr Muthotho in his paper.

The basic information about the use of this medicine for the treatment of herpes zoster was reported more than three years ago to our donors.

The information has also been given out at different international conferences, which we have attended.

Mr Muthotho, under the leadership of Dr Davy Koech, the director of Kenya Medical Research Institute, has been able to stabilise the shelf life of the milk from the plant for up to 10 days.

This type of chemical analysis we would not have been able to do. We really appreciate the continuing laboratory analyses being done by Mr Muthotho and Kemri.

One area we feel it is important to correct is the name that your reporter used for the species of frangipani. There are two species of frangipani, plumeria rubra and alba. Unfortunately, your reporter cited the wrong species in the article, plumeria rubra. The species, plumeria rubra, is highly toxic and can cause cardiac arrest.

Finally, the title of your article, "Local cure for herpes found," was incorrect. The correct position is that there is no known cure for herpes zoster.

The herbal medicine only treats the external symptoms by relieving the pain and drying up the lesions.

With so many dubious claims these days of medical cures, we feel it is extremely important that the medial information is stated clearly and correctly.

Again, we congratulate the Nation for publishing such an informative article. We hope you will correct the apparently unintentional errors which appeared in the article.

Alice Njoroge,

The Rev Edward Phillips M.M.,

Nairobi.

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KarinMaria (Guest)
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Nov-25-02, 05:28 AM (CST)
 
3. "RE: Important Addendum - wrong plant mentioned in the article"
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   Thankyou Windy for the information. I am very new to this and it is amazing that a reporter would name the wrog plant. It was not my intention to spread misinformation.

I had the pap smear done on the second day of my outbreak and the blood test done on the same day. The doctor did not do a culture of the lesions. I had heard very little about herpes a couple weeks ago when this took place so I did not ask for a coulture to be done. The only person that could have infected me had a blood test done and he claims it came back negative. he did have a coultur performed and is waiting on the results. I do not know what to think.

Now all the lesions are gone but I have unbearable itching kind of like a yeast infection. The doctor put me on antibiotics. Now I think I might have an yeast infection. Could this occur in the healing phase of an outbreak?
Any info would be appreciated.


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4. "RE: Important Addendum - wrong plant mentioned in the article"
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Yes, some women get yeast infections along with their outbreaks, and they can be difficult to tell apart. I think your doc should put you on antivirals, especially if you're using something for the yeast and it isn't helping. Itching is the most common symptom of herpes, but it's non-specific. Lots of things can make you itch.

Find out exactly what kind of blood test you and your partner had. Get copies of the lab reports if possible. See our summary of testing, linked from the Awareness page, for more info on blood tests.


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Jan-22-05, 06:04 PM (CST)
 
5. "Frangipani is also known as Calachuchi in the Philippines"
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   I bought Kevin Trudeau's Natural Cures, and he kept saying in his informercial that there is a cure for herpes... can someone refer me to the exact page? I can't say I have herpes, but I did have chicken pox at age 24, so I'm worried although I don't have any outbreaks I'm aware of.

Anyway I came across your article about frangipani, and it sounded foreign to me, and you talked about the source of the plant being in Africa. So I searched for more information and discovered pictures.

Just to add in to this discussion, I am from the Philippines, and frangipani or plumeria alba is the tree commonly known as Calachuchi, and it is everywhere because it is both a shade provider and the flowers smell great. Children do cut the bark for fun so it bleeds white sap, and no one there ever talked about the sap being medicinal, everyone knows to avoid cutting the bark because if the sap gets on your clothes the stain is permanent.

I'm just amazed that the Calachuchi has medicinal value. We just took it for granted. The university where I graduated from, whose College of Science was more than above average had the trees planted everywhere. The students were more exposed to the Indian rubber tree plant because our basic botany class required us to cut off the tip of the plant, disassemble it and mount it on boards, because it had a curious apical meristem (every branch ends with a tip, which is like an elongated cone resulting from immature, unopened leaves getting smaller and smaller until a tiny microscopic node is left -- the student who submitted the most leaves from a tip gets the high grade). The calachuchi was just a shade to be under while we study other more exotic plants.

If you make a search for "fiesta" pictures from the Philippines would usually have the flowers as part of decorations. That's how prolific it was in the Philippines... no need to go to Africa.

If you have any Filipino friends you can ask them about how a calachuchi looks like but they would not know it has medicinal value.

I also went to Hawaii, and I saw them use it for leis.


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6. "RE: Frangipani is also known as Calachuchi in the Philippine"
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   Me again... Like Kevin Trudeau said in his infomercial, the drug companies definitely would not want people to know that something in everyone's backyards can do a better job than the billion-dollar profit-oriented drug companies who claim that there is no cure for herpes so they can sell their drugs forever.

hmmm, the thing is that I AM still looking for that page in his book where he mentioned a cure for herpes. He said there IS a cure for herpes, but did he just say that in the infomercial to get people to buy his book, and never really tackled it in the book?


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7. "Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Mr. Trudeau has ripped so many people off with false claims of cure that the US Federal Trade Commission stepped in to stop him. Not a good guy.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm

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8. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   I take one teaspoon of coconut oil everyday and add in some red algae and spirulina and have not had an outbreak in 10 months. Before this I had been having them about once a month. Apparantly coconut oil breaks down the lipid coating on viruses such as HSV and HIV. I made the connection via an HIV website that happened to mention that the two viurses were structurally similar. Its over the counter and too cheap not to try...


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9. "It's a reasonable thing to try.."
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Actually it's been discussed here an in our "Technical" forum before and other places online as an aid to treating herpes. Here's an article by Dr. Weil from 2002 - http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA62429/

You are correct in that it is supposed to interfere with the capsid shell of the viron which is a lipid. I'm glad you are doing better. One factor to keep in mind, too, is that herpes tends to get better on its own as your immune system adapts to deal with it more effectively.

Use our search function in the tool bar near the top of the page and search for "monolaurin" and you'll find four threads this year.

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11. "RE: It's a reasonable thing to try.."
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   I'm sorry, but I don't see a "search" function. I see "home, awareness, research, treatment, HHP FAQ, bookstore, bio/info page".
Thank you.


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10. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   How much red algae and spirulina do you need to add to the one tsp of coconut oil? I have been looking for some help other then conventional medicines. Glad I came across this posting.


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12. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Hey Howl, I'm with you about Mr Trudeau. I spent 30 minutes reading parts of his book at Borders once while waiting for dinner. I was not impressed in the least. And Rajah, thanks for posting the link to Dr. Weil's information. I think he is really special.
I use alittle olive leaf extract, red marine algae and spirulina and am happy with them. I might add either regular coconut oil or monolarin, maybe alittle of each. Dr. Weil had the link to Dr. Karbala's site and the monolarin sounds pretty reasonable to me. Thanks for the information.


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13. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   You don't have to mix them together. Take them during the day. That's all. Algeas are just wonderfull things for health. I take 7 caplets of spirulina per day. But you should start slowly with one or 2 for a week and add from there. I totally agree with John here. Simple but targeted products can be very helpful.

There is no cure? I don't know. But I'm sure that unless you have an immuno-deficient disease, you can control herpes so well that you can make it asymptomatic. I give very simple solutions for free on my website because I hate the gutts of those big pharmaceutical companies who want to keep us dependent on them. What Turdeau may have ment is there is a cure but no one is going to hand it to you. It's just not profitable enough.

Cheers,

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14. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Hi Natalie,

I read some info on your website, very good info.

But I was wondering with taking coconut oil, there are two different kinds, Pure Coconut Oil and Virgin Coconut Oil, how do you know which one and which brand to take daily? Do you take it internally the oil or as an ointment?

Please advise.

Lisa


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15. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Thank you very much Lisa.

I think they are pretty much the same. Virgin coconut oil is what is usulally recommended. But I got a pure coconut oil jar and that was enough for me. Anyhow the coconut oil you should take, should be unrefined and look white when cold.

I've used it in my diet and topically, then just topically. You can also eat more creamed or grated coconut. I use coconut oil regularly in my cooking. But not enough to control herpes. I think.

Cheers,

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16. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Thanks Natalie for getting back with me, I would have replied sooner but I've been out of town.

You know, there's so much info on websites about herpes, and some contradict themselves and others say the same thing, don't know what to believe, but I didn't realize until I started reading information on it that a person can give you herpes by oral sex, from mouth to genitals, and I never really knew that, is that unfact true?

Also, there's really no definite answer (test wise) for herpes, I mean if you go and take a blood test it may come out negative and you may have it? Even without symptoms a person can be infected by it? That's kind of scary....... so in other words, you can be with someone for many years who carried the virus with no visable signs but have it and being female our chances of getting it is 4 times more than men, so, how do you know who to trust? Especially if you get tested and it could be mis-read, that's something to think about.

I was never diagnosed with herpes, and I do have asthma and have suffered in the past from ezcema, but from the looks of it, it looks like herpes.......ezcema is a form of lesions too.

Have you tried monolaurin? Does it work? I've been taking coconut oil (because it's good for you) and spirilina and red algae for preventative measures, you never know, but, have you tried laurincin? (i think this is how you spell it)...........

I work with someone who is from the Phillipines and swears up and down that coconut oil is the best - good for alot of things.

HELP!!!!!

Lisa


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17. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Hello again Lisa

As this post follows the beginning of a private conversation, I've replied to you at your email address.

Cheers,

Nathalie

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Feb-20-06, 09:38 PM (CST)
 
18. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   Hi Natalie,

Thanks for replying again. Which email address do you have on me? I never received it and was wondering exactly where you replied. Maybe we can have a conversation if you don't mind?

Sincerely,
Lisa


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19. "RE: Yes, The infomercial was to get you to buy the book"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-06 AT 04:11 AM (CST)
 
Hello Lisa,

I cannot post your email address here unless you want to receive a lot of spam which I'm sure you don't. If you'd like to write to me directly please click on the envelope at the right top of my last message and send me an email including the email address you want me to reply to.

Write to you soon,

Cheers,

Nathalie

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Kina
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Mar-11-06, 10:00 AM (CST)
 
20. "I NEED HELP"
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   I have been recently diagnosed with Herpes...I am so depressed, scared, angry...I could go on and on...I know there is not a "cure" but I believe that nothing is put on this earth has no cure. Are there any herbal remedies to take this away from me??? I am sitting here in tears because I just can't believe this has happened to me...Please Please help me....


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21. "Hey Kina"
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   Being diagnosed with herpes can be very frightening. I'm so sorry you're going through such a hard time rigth now. There might be herbal treatments that may help, but by far the best way to treat outbreaks and prevent them is the use of antivirals like acyclovir, famvir or valtrex.

Please feel free to post in our support forum. That is the most heavily traveled forum and you'll get LOTS of encouragement and different view points there.

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22. "RE: Hey Kina"
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   Welll Kina let's say you can keep it out of sight but not out of your body at least not for sure.

Kina herpes is not this horrible monster that certain people hope to make us believe. Think of it as a huge sales pitch to make your feel afraid and guilty. Most of the pictures online are not representative of the average cases.

You can still have what you want in life. Herpes is not going to kill you. You can cry. I guess I felt the exact same way each time I had symptoms. I felt helpless and maybe shameful. Why should we feel that? There's no real reason...
Give yourself some time.

Nathalie

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Jun-09-06, 07:22 AM (CST)
 
30. "RE: I NEED HELP"
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   hi, kina

I know the the pain in your heart, I was diognesd recently with gental herpes. I was so madd and feeling down also. anyway's I finaly prayed about it,asking God for a miricle, and had someone from T.B.N pray for me aswell. In my prayer I asked God to take this burden from me, for I know being a perfectionst I'll drive myself insane, and die of stress if I did not hand it over to the Lord. I strongly belive that someday I will be cured of this diease.
Kena, first find peace in your heart before looking for answers.
Being at peace with yourselve is the first steep you should take. God is the prince of peace, he will help you if you let him.

God bless you,

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Nathatlie
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Jun-10-06, 03:23 PM (CST)
 
31. "RE: I NEED HELP"
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   Kina,

If you believe, it will be so. That is what I believe. I believe that men have forgotten their divine nature for too long, but I usually don't dare to speak about those things. Thank you for giving me a chance. Please take a look at doctor Quimby's work if you want to cure yourself that way. Faith can do miracles any miracles...

Kind Regards,

Nathalie


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43. "RE: I NEED HELP"
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   Hello Angel,

I know God can help heal anything.. I've seen people who were on there death bed and diagnosed with cancer and have been healed!! I am praying for those same kind of miracles. life sometimes dosnt go our way.. but there is a purpose for everythingggg! - God bless


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23. "The subject header sent up my red flags"
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Kenya.

A country with "excess mortality due to AIDS," whose death rate is higher than its birth rate, with a life expectancy of 48 years old, and 6.7% of the population living with HIV (as opposed to 0.6% in the U.S.).

Where people get diarrhea from drinking the water, typhoid fever occurs regularly, and where malaria risk can be high. With an economy hampered by corruption and an unemployment rate at a whopping 40% (ours is 5.1%).

Sounds like they have all the resources in the world to come up with a cure for a virus that doesn't even hit the radar screen of the minds of most people. And given that they have such a high rate of HIV infection, I can see that their priorities would be better focused on herpes anyhow. I can't wait to see what will come next from Kenya!

If you can't see the sarcasm dripping from the letters of this post, then I encourage those of you who are seeking a cure: consider the source. And for your sake find peace with your life as it is. This might be the only one you get.

~Della

It's easier to tell yourself you're not good at something. Safer to believe you aren't clever or quick. Because if you had confidence enough to try something, you had to have courage enough to fail.


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24. "RE: The subject header sent up my red flags"
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I bought the virgin coconut oil.....how do you eat a teaspoon a day, just straight?? Ew, I can't quite do that but if I could put it in something I could...any ideas?

~If money won't make you happy, you won't like poverty either~


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25. "RE: The subject header sent up my red flags"
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   How about in your porridge or cream of rice in the morning? How about you cook with it (makes curry recipes taste wonderful)
or http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/recipelist.htm

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Apr-10-06, 00:05 AM (CST)
 
26. "Please Read"
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   Hey, I was just wanting to know if anyone has tried quickclear capsules. The website claims that over a period of time the herbal ingredients breakdown the virus and eventually eliminate it from the body and its fungal host. I also wanted to say that if the virus truly lives in the ganglion, then why is not possible to inject some drug or herbal ingredient, that is safe for internal use, to the exact location of the virus. Would it hurt to penetrate the ganglion with a long needle? Would it hurt the nerves? I know with personal experience that garlic eradicates the virus upon contact and I once read that it had 99.9% effectiveness against destroying it, but it has to be crushed for it to get its antiviral effects. Garlic is also supposed to be safe for internal use. So why not inject, if it is possible to penetrate the ganglion without hurting sense of feeling, garlic that has been mashed enough to be like a liquid so it can pass through the needle into the ganglion over a period of time. Wouldn't that eventually kill it? I think they need to focus on a direct approach on killing this thing. We know where it lives, so why not find a safe way in and kill it. I think the biggest problem is money. They want to make money, which is understandable. That is why you don't really here much about the success of garlic. It only costs about 3 dollars for 4 cloves and you can get it very easily and the last thing they want is a cure. A vaccine but not a cure, a vaccine keeps making money, cures don't.


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27. "RE: Please Read"
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The only part of the virus that's inside the ganglion is the viral dna, and it sits next to your own dna in the nucleus of the nerve cells. Anything you put into the nerve cell to destroy dna would also destroy your own dna. Most things that are known to kill the herpes virus do so by disrupting the lipid envelope around the virus. Since there's no lipid envelope around the viral dna inside the nerve cells, substances that work in this manner won't work on the latent viral dna.

The exception to this would be some sort of molecule tagged with dna that matched the viral codes, so that it would only bind to the viral dna. We're not quite there yet, technologically.

Sticking a needle into the ganglion isn't a good idea, as it's filled with sensory nerve cells. Any physical damage to those could have a profound effect on your sensory functions. Personally, I'd rather have occasional pain and ulcers on my dick than take a chance of not being able to feel my dick at all.

Also, I'm not aware of any evidence to support the notion of a fungal host. Sounds like a fantasy to me.


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Mike
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May-09-06, 10:33 AM (CST)
 
28. "RE: Please Read"
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   Hey guys, I was in a relationship for 3 years, am 22 years now, was single for another 3 years, within 6 years i never onced had random sex except for one night. Unfortuantely that was all it took and I was too recently diagnosed with herpes. Like many of you, im absoultutely distraught and have convinced myself that i'll never be able to enter a relationship again. COnversely, im adament on making sure i give my self every possible chance to try to find a cure.

ANyhow after my first outbreak (along my anus and mouth) I've actualyl yet to have a coldsore or any outbreak that im aware of, further more I cant seem to have found any lesions on my penis from my initial outbreak or since then? What does this mean? if there wasnt an initial outbreak on my penis does that mean i will only have out breaks on my anus?

Also Windy, what you said about not being technoligcally advanced enough to discover a molecule tagged with dna to match the viral codes, are you aware of any progress in finding a way to do this? Would that be the only plausable way of curing the disease?
Im really sorry for harping on but since finding out i had the disease a couple of months back ive been unable to stop thinkig about it and im slowly slipping into some place I dont want to be.


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29. "RE: Please Read"
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Genital herpes and anal herpes are really the same thing, because nerves from the same ganglia go to both places. You could be shedding virus from either of those areas (or even both at the same time).

Herpes is extremely common, and there's really no reason that it should stop you from doing things in life. Most people report that they've had a good response when they told a potential partner.

It might be helpful for you to find out which type(s) you have. If, by chance, you have only hsv1, then something like 60-70% of people you meet already have antibodies and are not at risk of getting it from you. If you have hsv2, then it's only 20-30% of people who are protected by pre-existing antibodies. Most of the rest of them won't care, anyway, if they're interested in you. They'll see YOU, not your herpes.

Do a google search for hammerhead ribozymes.



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Stephanie
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36. "RE: Please Read"
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   LAST EDITED ON Oct-16-07 AT 10:24 PM (CST)
 
Hey, I am currently trying the Quick Clear treatment and I wont know my results until after December 27. Im only taking the three month treatment being that I had my first outbreak at the end of May. At this time, Im praying and eating healthy and taking all the recommendations that include no caffeine, no carbonated drinks, no alcohol, and no cigarettes while taking the capsules. Being that I dont smoke or drink, the first two are the only hard ones. There was some days where I would just say Im ready to die, I dont even want to get close. After me and my boyfriend broke up, I thought I would never find anyone. Currently Im dating with no sex involve and it feels great. But the one I want, I slightly told him and he shyed away but came back as a friend, so hopefuly we can get close. I only told him because he came on to me. I feel like honesty is the best policy, but they dont need to know right off the back. In the past 5 months of having this virus, not disease, I have learned o uch about myself and what a relationship should be. Take this time to evaluate yourself. Im not going to lie though, some mornings I still find my self crying. But there is more to life. I will update you though on how the outcome was. I only had one outbreak and havent had one since the initial one. So its hard to say it reduce my outbreaks because my outbreak was so mild. Talk to you soon


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37. "RE: Please Read"
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   This is supposed to be a permanent cure? The diet instructions are good but incomplete.
"Quickclear is a combination of the seven most important and effective herbs in eliminating the herpes/cold sore virus"

This unfortunately is a false claim.

Echinacea root for example: this is the info I placed on my website.

Two studies of the effects of echinacea on herpes were published in Pubmed. One showed that echinacea had no statistically significant benefit that could be detected in the treatment of frequently recurrent genital herpes and the other that echinacea had an effect on herpes virus 1 only after exposure to light.

You can read the full page here

This seems interesting as a supplement though,

Cheers,

Nathalie

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33. "RE: Local cure for herpes found in Kenya"
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   how do you get this medicine


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Jen
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Nov-04-06, 05:47 AM (CST)
 
34. "RE: I have tried frangipani sap"
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   I had already heard about the sap from the frangipani plant (the variation of which has a white, extremely fragrant flower) because my mother, a clinical nutritionist, was suffering from itching, irritated skin on her arms, and in a moment of sheer coincidence, she decided to try rubbing a little frangipani sap into her arms to see if it might do anything at all to ease the itch & pain.

To her surprise, the irritation cleared up straight away, and although her arms were a little sticky from the sap, they were healed, and didnt irritate her again.

Upon further investigation of the healing properties of the frangipani plant, she discovered connections between the sap and the healing of the herpes zoster virus as well (most common form is shingles.

A short while later, a friend and neighbour broke out in painful shingles on her back and shoulders only a month or so before her wedding. Her wedding dress was an off-the-shoulder number, and she was extremely terrified that she would look a fright on her wedding day! On recommendation from my mother, she decided to rub frangipani sap into her shoulders and back (quite skeptically, might I add!). The shingles cleared up almost immediately, leaving no marks or scarring before her big day.

A little while ago i was diagnosed with genital herpes. The doctor had put me on a course of Valtrex, but being extremely upset and emotional I called my mum to cry the bad news to her in the hopes that she might have some idea of what i could do to treat it.

She suggested that i try frangipani sap, directly onto the affected area.

After a late night raid of neighbours yards (frangipani trees are popular here) i had enough to begin a treatment.

Almost immediately i noticed the severity of the pain had lessened. After two more 'treatments' that very day, the sores (which had been at the most painful, raw, open stage) had COMPLETELY disappeared!! No scabbing, no scarring, they just WENT!

Now I was on the Valtrex medication at the same time, but I had been on the treatment for a week with no difference to the sores, and only within 1 day they had completely disappeared after using the sap.

Since then (a few months ago) I have had absolutely no repercussions, and nothing to suggest that I will outbreak again. Fingers crossed of course, it will take a lot longer to see this as some people outbreak rarely anyway. But I believe it has gone for good. And I do believe that if the frangipani sap really is a cure to some herpes viruses, it will never be information freely offered to the public. Think about how much money you pay for your treatments from your doctor & pharmacies, and I'm sure you will realise why.

It is extremely easy to try frangipani sap, and really is quite harmless. So as long as you dont mind being a little bit sticky, I recommend it to EVERYONE who is suffering from a herpes outbreak to try, as it really did help me...


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35. "RE: I have tried frangipani sap"
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   what is the latest news about frangipani. did anyone outside africa had use this plant and cured themself of herpes.please let me knoe. i tried it but nothing happen, i might be misssing something help!


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38. "RE: I have tried frangipani sap"
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   Is there a way you can send me some of the sap? I am so desperate for it. I am a victim of an ex-huband & a current husband who were unfaithful with other women and they brought this and other STD's home to me. I really could use the treatment. I am at my wits end with this and my current husband.

Kate


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39. "RE: I have tried frangipani sap"
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   Herpes can cause as much emotional as it does physical pain. By learning what you are up against, treating it appropriately, and maintaining a positive attitude, you could live with this common infection. Anti-viral Medications might be helpful.What Does Herpes Look Like


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Jesushelpme07
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40. "RE: I have tried frangipani sap"
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   Hello Jen! I am so intrested in this Miracle plant.. do you know where i can get it>?


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Jesushelpme07
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42. "RE: I have tried frangipani sap"
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   Where does the sap come from? the bark or the leaves? and do you buy the plant or the Frangapini flower? I read on a flower website that the sap is posionous.. Thanks for your info on this plant! greatly appreciated!!!


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Jesushelpme07
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41. "RE: Local cure for herpes found in Kenya"
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   I found in an article that the plant sap is poisionous? look up the flower and you will find that??!


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